Ram ProMaster

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A Ram ProMaster 2500 parked in a parking lot on a rainy day.

The Ram ProMaster is a eurovan based on the Fiat Ducato platform. It is the most popular RV platform in Europe. The ProMaster is a front-wheel drive platform with nearly straight sides, tight turning radius, low cargo deck height, and a wide (74") cargo area.


It comes in low (65" standing room) and high roof (76" standing room) models, and beginning in 2023 there was the introduction of the "Super High" roof (86" standing room). Wheelbase options are either 136" or 159", yielding 10' and 12' cargo areas respectively. There is also an extended body on the 159" wheelbase; this option has a 13.33' cargo area and is only available on the 3500 model.[1]


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Specifications

Curb weight4,554 lbs.
GVWR8,550 lbs. min
9,350 lbs. max

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> There is nothing, I repeat nothing, special or complicated or expensive or proprietary about the ProMaster. The drivetrain, transmission, fuel system, cats, computer, hvac, braking, suspension, steering, etc are all almost EXACTLY the same as ANY Chrysler built from 2011 till today. As such, ANY decent mechanic can work on these things. There's nothing magical in there. -- Kip On Trucking[2]


Template:Http://zombdrive.com/images/2014-ram-promaster-cargo-van-2.jpg?200The 1500/2500/3500 badges are ambiguous.[3] The 159" wheelbase is offered on the 2500 and up.. The 159" Extended model is available only on the 3500. The only confirmed difference between the 2500 and 3500 is a sway bar added on the 3500.[4]

Drivetrain

(external image) The gas version has a 3.6L Pentastar and 62TE 6 speed transmission[5]. Brian P explains how this transmission works.

The diesel version has a 3.0L turbo diesel, the Fiat industrial F1C engine used in the Mitsubishi Fuso and IVECO Daily.[6] It is mated with an M40 automated manual transmission (AMT); this is a manual transmission which is shifted automatically. It is the same combination found in the Ducato.[7]

Traction control

ProMasters have an Electronic Brake Control System (EBCS) which allows independent operation of each wheel's brake. The system is comprised of:

  • Anti-lock Brake System (ABS) and Brake Assist System (BAS), which reportedly assists ABS.[8]
  • Electronic Stability Control (ESC) - controls oversteer/understeer through selective braking and engine torque management.
  • Traction Control System (TCS) monitors wheel spin on the driven (front) wheels. It applies light braking to the spinning wheel so torque will be transferred through the open diff to the other wheel. The overall effect is like a virtual limited slip differential. \\ When TCS is managing a spinning wheel the ESC light in the instrument cluster flashes. \\ TCS may also use engine torque management.[9]
  • Trailer Sway Control (TSC) to minimize side-to-side oscillations
  • Hill Start Assist (HSA) which momentarily holds brake on inclines while the driver's foot moves to the accelerator.

In certain wheelspin situations at low forward speeds it can help to set ESC "partially off". This reduces ESC intervention also turns off TCS' engine torque management. This allows the tires to spin up faster than TCS would normally allow. To do this press the ESC OFF button. In general, ESC should remain ON anytime the vehicle is moving faster than "parking lot speeds".

TCS may not work with the transmission in reverse.

Note that immoderate use of brake-based controls can result in overheating or premature wear of brake components. [ie, don't turn off ESC then keep your foot in it for 3 miles of muddy road -- secessus]

Also see FCA's description of a similar system in the Jeep line.

electrical

The gasoline PM has either a 180A[10] or an optional 220A Denso-type alternator[11]; they are traditional "fixed voltage" and not of the modern "smart" variety. This VIN decoder will indicate which alternator a van was built with. In either case the six-groove pulley ratio is 2.84:1.[12] Output when cold is ~14.3v; voltage may be regulated down to ~13.8v when hot.

The diesel may have a 225A unit.

>> the ECM controls the field circuit, so now a computer has replaced the relatively inexpensive, stand-alone voltage regulator. Fourth, Chrysler gradually changed over to B-circuit control; this means the ECM switches the hot side of the field circuit instead of the ground side. -- source

  • This post on the ProMaster forum shares official load estimates for various accessories.
  • This post describes the procedure for alternator replacement.
  • this post describes the voltage regulation via ECU

Excess capacity at idle

Using 28A as the idle draw[13], 750rpm as the idle speed, 2.84 as the pulley ratio, 50% as the continuous duty rating, and the hot rating output curves linked below:

Note that the radiator fans can add 65A when they come on, reducing excess capacity to zero.

Fusebox layout

(external image)

Fuel consumption

Data on fuelly suggests the gasser averages ~15mpg. The large frontal area of the van means that reducing cruising speed may affect MPG greatly.

Idling

Experiments on the ProMaster forum suggest idling consumption is between 0.4-0.6 GPH based on ambient temps:

.6gph in winter (below 38f kicks in the high idle) and .4gph summer.[14]

Additional loads (HVAC fans, aux battery charging) would increase gph somewhat.

Known issues

Learn more about this vehicle on the ProMaster forum or the ProMaster article.

  • short headlight life (low beam). TSB 08-106-17 says to replace with L0000H7SLL Super Long Life headlamp bulbs Also see this comment about proper alignment in the sockets. Turning headlights off in daylight rather than using them as DRL often can extend bulb life to years.
  • Pentastar tick due to failed rocker bearings; replacing them too late can cause damage to the cam.
  • use of non-spec transmission fluid can cause failure, with Dexron II being the worst offender.[15]
  • Per Kip, trans rebuild diagnoses are often failures of the solenoid pack, which "costs 400-$500 and can be replaced in 2-3 hours without having to take the transmission out".
  • spark plug changes must be done with care to avoid damaging the spark plug carriers "tubes"[16]
  • the oil filter housing can be cracked if overtightened
  • 2014 model known for squeaking brakes, sticking parking brake
  • marker lights leaking
  • P0750 transmission code may be from the solenoid pack, which can be replaced without removing the transmission.
  • the small bolts on the intake plenum can rust and seize.[17] Solutions include waterproofing the bolts or cutting and installing an engine cover[18].
  • a plywood or other load-spreading subfloor should be installed to prevent fatigue to metal floor. At least two cases of floor damage have been reported when the floor was repeatedly flexed in the same area.
  • the odometer cannot record more than 1 million kilometers (~620,000 miles)[19]
  • diesel version transmission disliked by many
  • steering wheel is bus-like and not tilt-adjustable
  • seating is high
  • 6th gear is very high for MPG purposes; the PM will downshift to 5th on minor grades
  • some fuel pumps shut off frequently while fueling the vehicle
  • if the transmission-to-frame ground is loose it can affect the ignition interlock[20]


Quirks

  • Strange driving position with high seat pedestals.
  • Cup holders poorly located and designed.
  • steering wheel adjustable for distance but not angle
  • rough ride when empty.
  • 6th gear is very tall for MPG; the van will downshift in headwinds and on hills.
  • The transmission will downshift automatically on long descents for engine braking.
  • the clipboard is largely useless, but can be opened to allow for wiring or hardmounting accessories.

Gas vs diesel

A strong case for gas over diesel in the PM forums.

Recommended dealers

Bluebonnet Chrysler in San Marcos, Tx has a good reputation with out of state buyers.[21]

Filters and fluids

    * 3.0L diesel

[[https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41HSOYt0uDL._AC_US160_.jpg?200 (external image)]]

  • oil drain plug
       * F-106 valve
       * F106N valve with nipple
       * F106S valve with short nipple
       * F316L valve with L-shaped nipple
       * F106sx new style valve
    • diesel
    • FCA part number 68094567AA[49]
    • quick drain valve not recommended as the drain plug points down. Using one could reduce ground clearance.[50]

Transmission

ZF 9HP48

Newer gas models have the 9-speed ZF transmission.

62TE transmission

This 6-speed auto is used in gas models. It uses ATF+4 and/or Chrysler MS-9602 spec fluid.[51] Note: the transmission technically has 7 forward speeds but 4th prime is only used during downshifts.

One rebuilder recommends full trans service (with synthetic) every 25k miles.[52] Frequent service and correct fluids appear to be critical: > Many problems with Chrysler automatic transmissions are started when the automatic transmission fluid or "ATF" is replaced or topped-up with standard, more common fluids like DEXRON or MERCON type fluids. Chrysler transmissions need to use their own fluid, designated as ATF+4 Synthetic type 9602 fluid from Chrysler, not any other or any other plus an additive. If any quantity of other type of fluid is added to the transmission, a complete drain, flush and replacement with the correct ATF+4 will be needed. When properly serviced (periodic fluid and filter changes with the required ATF+4 fluid), the transmission performs correctly.[53]

There is a possibility P0734 & P0792 transmission codes can be caused by a faulty TRS(Transmission Range Sensor), an inexpensive part.[54]

A whine from the transmission that sounds like a power steering pump may be from foamy ATF. This could be caused by low AT fluid level.[55]

It is possible that transmission temperature can be monitored with ScanGauge using the following settings:[56]

  • TXD: 10F1229110​
  • RXF: C46205913610​
  • RXD: 3010​
  • MTH: 000100400000​
  • NAME: ATF​

Tow/Haul mode

Tow/Haul is off by default. See this post about adding a 12v timer to automate the process of turning it on.

Solar fitment

http://www.promasterforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57082

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2874/32381778274_fc2f267932_b.jpg?300 - RW and VJ's 159" with 810w of solar

The PM roof is quite wide at the top and larger, higher-voltage residential/commercial panels can be mounted. If large panels are fitted across the whole width taller z-bracket or spacers may be need to allow for the PM's roof curve.[57]

The roof of the 136" PM can fit 600w (2x300w) with sufficient room for a roof vent.

The 159" can fit about 900w (3x300w) + roof vent.

Hein makes custom hardware for mounting panels to the ProMaster roof.

Roof vent fitment

The ProMaster has a raised roof vent pad near the cab. Parts of it have no ribbing to make waterproofing easier.

Towing points

There is a rear tow point on the passenger side. The front tow point is hidden behind an access port in the front bumper. A tow loop found in the jack kit screws into the port.[58]

In either case a shackle of some sort will be required to attach loop-ended recovery straps.

Accessories

receiver hitch

  • Curt 13295 - Class III Square Tube Hitch - Concealed. 5000# GTW. 500# TW.
  • Curt 13207 - Class III Square Tube Hitch - Exposed. 6000# GTW. 750# TW.
  • Curt 13170 Original version for ProMaster, now deprecated? Some reports of flimsiness.[59]
  • Curt 13150 - better for cutaway models?[60]
  • Draw-tite 75882 - Max-Frame receiver.[61] 6000# GTW. 750# TW.[62]

Windshield sunscreen

Side window vent

Cruise control

Visual identification

Roof height

The ProMaster has only two roof heights so identification is easy. The roofline is compared to the top of the van's cab.

  • the Low Roof is just above the cab
  • the High Roof extends beyond the cab

Wheelbase

Wheelbase can be identified by looking at the amount of body beyond the sliding door track.

  • the 136" Regular Wheelbase (RWB) ends just after the track.
  • the 159" Long Wheelbase (LWB) has about a third of a track length behind the track.
  • the 159" Long Wheelbase Extended(LWE) has about a two-thirds of a track length behind the track.

Further reading

Facebook groups:



Resources

Resource Description
ProMaster accessories Campervan parts and accessories.
Promaster Van Builds Public Facebook group with 20k members as of August 2024. "Group dedicated to all things Promaster VanLife. Help each other with build/product advice, show-off your builds and adventures we all love."
RAM Promaster Mods and Hacks Private Facebook group with 2.1k members as of August 2024. "Calling all RAM ProMaster vanlifers! This group is for sharing mods, hacks, and renovation ideas to turn your ProMaster into the ultimate working, camping and living machine. Let's discuss builds, ask questions, and inspire each other to create dream vans!"
Ram Promaster Owners Public Facebook group with 28k members as of August 2024. "Group for Ram Promasters to meet one another, share stories and help each other out."
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  9. This is not clear in the manual -- secessus
  10. Lester 11792
  11. Lester 11793
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  16. https://www.pentastars.com/engines/repairs.php
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  18. Part number 04861773AA
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  26. media only
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  28. note that thread is about Jeeps, not ProMaster
  29. part of
  30. like we used to do on full size filters
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